The Fundamental Split Between Individualist and Collectivist Anarchists Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarcho-communism

Ancaps say the Ancom’s communist society would turn into the new State monster - through the communist leadership and central authority (as we saw in all the various communist experiements in the 20th century)

Ancoms say the Ancap’s capitalist society would turn into the new State monster - through powerful corporations and billionaires being able to do whatever they want without a state regulator…

They both probably have a point….

MEME - the corrupt government and corrupt corporations Leftists - “corporations are the problem” Rightists - “government is the problem “ ME: “Do you see that the corrupt corporations are working together with the corrupt government?”….. - They are effectively one and the same (along with the cathedral of media, academia, think tanks, NGO’s, etc…)

Is anarcho-capitalism anarchism?

Anarchism was (perhaps) originally a left-wing egalitarian movement

• with Emma Goldmond and those people/….. Because the whole “robber baron” Industrial Revolution time that was the time that Anarchism became a movement - but that doesn’t mean this is the “only true anarchism”

Anarchy is “no RULERS” Does private property mean that there will be a ruler????

Ownership of capital Ownership of land

Personal property Private property

“anarcho-capitalism is influenced by liberal economic ideas, including the belief in the free market. In particular, anarcho-capitalists subscribes to the notion of market equilibrium, which frames the free market as a self-governing entity.”

Why Collectivist anarchists say it is not

"collectivist anarchists reject the idea that capitalism and anarchism are reconcilable ideologies. They argue that, within the anarcho-capitalist vision, the oppressive structures of the state are simply replicated.”

What would happen with free markets and no state?

“anarcho-capitalists argue, there would be no space for monopolies to develop, due to the competitive nature of the market and a lack of regulation.”

What is Capital?

“In economics, capital goods or capital are "those durable produced goods that are in turn used as productive inputs for further production" of goods and services.”

Adam Smith defined capital as "that part of man's stock which he expects to afford him revenue".

Is the split between individualists and collectivists?

“Left” vs. “Right” - differences of opinion, temperament, thought, values……

collectivist, egalitarian, feminine, - anarchists Individualist, natural hierarchical, masculine - anarchists

Do people really HAVE to sell their labour in order to live and survive in our society today?

“The collectivist anarchist objection to the state, for example, is its nurturing of the capitalist system, which results in workers having to sell their labour in order to survive.”

“Individualists are not concerned with ensuring that all working members of society receive equal access to goods and services, believing instead that the free market offers all individuals the opportunity to access what they want or need… *By promoting market equilibrium as the best alternative to state coercion, it denies the efficacy of communism, syndicalism, or any other form of collectivised social organisation, believing that they simply add new barriers to the flourishing of individuals.”

Is leftist anarchism actually anarchism?

Against “hierarchy” - what does that even really mean? Is not hierarchy inevitable and intrinsic to life and nature? How can you have any collection of people without their being some form of natural hierarchy? Some people are wiser, more intelligent, more capable of leading. In fact, to try to FORCE total equality is itself violent and unnatural. It cannot work and is only attempted by those who are insane and secretly seek power and control…

What is wrong with free market voluntary exchange?

Anarchism and Marxism

While both anarchists and Marxists share the same final goal, the creation of a free, egalitarian society without social classes and government, they strongly disagree on how to achieve this goal. Anarchists, especially social anarchists, believe that the classless, stateless society should be established by the direct action of the masses, culminating in social revolution and refusing any intermediate stage such as the dictatorship of the proletariat on the basis that such a dictatorship will become a self-perpetuating fundament. However, libertarian Marxists argue that Marx used the phrase to mean that the worker control at the point of production and not a party would still be a state until society is reorganized according to socialist principles. For Bakunin, the fundamental contradiction is that for the Marxists "anarchism or freedom is the aim, while the state and dictatorship is the means, and so, in order to free the masses, they have first to be enslaved".257 Ultimately, the main divide between anarchism and Marxism is between decentralisation and centralisation, with anarchists favouring decentralisation and Marxists arguing that due to the Industrial Revolution and later stages of the Industrial Revolution a certain degree of authority and centralisation has become necessary or inevitable.

The distinction between libertarian and authoritarian forms of communism

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon said of communism that "whether of the utopian or the Marxist variety, that it destroyed freedom by taking away from the individual control over his means of production”, adding: "Communism is exploitation of the strong by the weak”. Mikhail Bakunin stated: "I hate Communism because it is the negation of liberty and because for me humanity is unthinkable without liberty. I am not a Communist, because Communism concentrates and swallows up in itself for the benefit of the State all the forces of society, because it inevitably leads to the concentration of property in the hands of the State".

Individualist anarchists such as Benjamin Tucker, Victor Yarros and Henry Appleton have denied that communism is a genuine form of anarchism.246 They rejected its strategies and argued that it is inherently authoritarian.247 In the opinion of Appleton, "Communism, being opposed to natural law, must necessarily call upon unnatural methods if it would put itself into practice" and employ "pillage, brute force, and violence".

Two Branches of Anarchism: Anarcho-Communist & Anarcho-Capitalist: Social & Individualistic

Those who believe in private property Private ownership of the means of production Individualist

Those who believe in public property, the commons Public ownership of the means of production Communal

social anarchism and individualist anarchism

“Anarchist schools of thought have been generally grouped into two main historical traditions, social anarchism and individualist anarchism, owing to their different origins, values and evolution.72 The individualist current emphasises negative liberty in opposing restraints upon the free individual, while the social current emphasises positive liberty in aiming to achieve the free potential of society through equality and social ownership.”

• Wikipedia

“philosophical anarchism which holds that the state lacks moral legitimacy, without necessarily accepting the imperative of revolution to eliminate it. A component especially of individualist anarchism,76 philosophical anarchism may tolerate the existence of a minimal state but claims that citizens have no moral obligation to obey government when it conflicts with individual autonomy.”

• Wikipedia

Socialist anarchism

“Social anarchism, also known as left-wing anarchism or socialist anarchism, is the branch of anarchism that sees liberty and social equality as interrelated.”

• wikipeida

Liberty = Equality

“It advocates for a social revolution to remove oppressive forms of hierarchy, such as capitalism and the state. In their place, social anarchists encourage social collaboration through mutual aid and envision non-hierarchical forms of social organization, such as voluntary associations. Identified with the socialist tradition of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin and Peter Kropotkin, social anarchism is often contrasted with individualist anarchism, due to the latter's criticism of socialism.”

“Social anarchism is opposed to all forms of social and political power, hierarchy and oppression, including (but not limited to) the State and capitalism.1 Social anarchism therefore sees liberty as interconnected with social equality,2 and considers the maximization of one to be necessary for the maximization of the other.3 Social anarchism envisions the overthrow of capitalism and the state in a social revolution, which would establish a federal society of voluntary associations and local communities,4 based on a network of mutual aid.5 The key principles that form the core of social anarchism include anti-capitalism, anti-statism and prefigurative politics.”

Individualist Anarchism

Liberty = Individual soverignty(?)

"if the individual has the right to govern himself, all external government is tyranny"

• Benjamin Tucker